Powerbook vs. Dell Mac OS X Boot
This is way off topic, but I found this video extremely interesting and exciting. For those of you who aren't tech geeks like myself and didn't know this already, Apple announced a while back that it would be switching from the IBM Power PC architecture (G4, G5) to Intel processors starting next year. This was huge news...nobody ever imagined in a million years that Apple would go the Intel route. An even bigger suprise was that Apple has a version of OS X that runs on Intel machines, and has shipped this version to developers along with a development kit based on Intel hardware. This version is supposed to be locked to only run on the development kits, but folks around the world have been working to get the OS booting on any old PC box. So anyway, here is a video of OS X booting on both a Dell Dimension 8250 and a 15" Powerbook G4. As if the shock of seeing OS X running natively on a Dell PC isn't enough, you'll notice that the Dell easily beats the Powerbook to the desktop. Pretty cool stuff if you ask me. I just hope Steve Jobs decides to go head-to-head with Microsoft and release a version of OS X that can be installed on any x86 PC. I'll be the first in line to fork over my cash.
posted by Ava's Dad at 11:51 PM
72 Comments:
Thats a bit lame. I'm a Window person but even I know that a 3Ghz DELL PC with 1GB RAM is going to beat the pants off a laptop Mac with a 4200rpm/5400rpm hard disk and slower processor. Not only that but it seemed you had addditional software on the Mac when it booted (different theme etc). I'd say in this case the Mac won.
Tue Aug 23, 06:34:00 AM CDT
Yeah it's not really a valid test since the specs are so different.
Tue Aug 23, 06:36:00 AM CDT
OK, you want comparison that is even? I have a Dell Dimension 8400 3.4GHz P4 with 2GB of Ram. My buddy is a video editing geek, he has a dual 2.3GHz G5 with 4GB of ram and my Dell still boots to the desktop faster than his G5. And by a considerable amount of time I might add. In the tests we have run, my Dell is booting 12-16 seconds faster that his G5.
Tue Aug 23, 06:41:00 AM CDT
oh whatever. windows is a POS operating system and it always will be. Im a windows user, but im smart enough to know osX is shittons more efficient than windows
Tue Aug 23, 06:44:00 AM CDT
holy crap a stripped down version of OS X boots up faster than the full blown one with hundreds of applications installed?!??! SHOCKING!!
Tue Aug 23, 06:45:00 AM CDT
They can speed up the new Macs all they want, but I will be super pissed if I can't get the same 6 hours of battery life as I am now(14inch iBook G4)
Tue Aug 23, 06:47:00 AM CDT
I agree with anonymous (wow, lots of people with that name, must be hard in a crowd)
Booting a 'clean' machine like the deadmoo OSXIntel disk image is going to be a lot faster than a production setup machine. I always notice this when I do a clean install of *any* OS, my machine always seems incredibly faster. Then I remember that it's not loading various scripts, daemons, apps, and whatnot in the background yet.
As for 'boot time' being of any importance, for me that's only for a laptop. I know my iBook G3 (3.5 yrs old) boots faster than almost any windows laptop I've seen. It's fun to sit next to someone at an airport, both pull out and bootup our laptops. In comedy-like setting, I am checking email and working while the windows user is still watching the windows desktop load.
Tue Aug 23, 06:50:00 AM CDT
My install is far from clean on my Dell. I have been working with several other installing everything we can to see what acutally runs on machines like mine with SSE3 support in the processor.
I have Dreamweaver MX 2004, Adobe Create Suite, iTunes, iPhoto, iTerm, Firefox, Thunderbird, xBench and quite a few others installed and working. I have also installed a few apps that are not working yet but hopefully soon.
Tue Aug 23, 07:17:00 AM CDT
Dave,
Do you even know any of the people who have made comments about this? haha! i can't believe I just watched that super dork video. haha! This is by far your most controversial post. Keep it to baby stuff. =)
Tue Aug 23, 07:35:00 AM CDT
"OK, you want comparison that is even? I have a Dell Dimension 8400 3.4GHz P4 with 2GB of Ram. My buddy is a video editing geek, he has a dual 2.3GHz G5 with 4GB of ram and my Dell still boots to the desktop faster than his G5. And by a considerable amount of time I might add. In the tests we have run, my Dell is booting 12-16 seconds faster that his G5."
What a BS comment of course it going to boot fast its got higher ghz. Try video edit on that then switching apps though, the dell will freeze the Mac will handel it much better. You would need hyperthreading support or even a better a new intel dual core proc.
Tue Aug 23, 08:04:00 AM CDT
A Mac is not meant to be switched off and rebooted. Never heard of "stop" mode?
Tue Aug 23, 08:15:00 AM CDT
I have read dual 2,3 ghz :) so in some manner thats 4,6 ghz in total against the dell 3,4 ghz, he he (i know you can't add the ghz to obtain final power... but a dual 64 bits baby can't get it against intel)
i understand all that stuff is gonna be a pain for long life mac lovers but reality is knocking to the door, IBM is spanked up by Intel.
Oh, and last comment, i can't imagine a pentium M with OSX, even more power with less power consumption.
Tue Aug 23, 08:16:00 AM CDT
It's basically been said, but even though the "test" in this case was *quite* biased towards the Dell (MUCH faster processor, more RAM, faster HDD, stripped-system), I would say that in almost every case, an Intel box will boot up painfully quicker than the latest Mac machines. Unfortunate, but it's true.
It's okay, though...my slower PB will still turn more heads than your Dell ;)
Tue Aug 23, 08:37:00 AM CDT
"Oh, and last comment, i can't imagine a pentium M with OSX, even more power with less power consumption."
I've got OSX running on my Dell Inspiron 6000 laptop with the 2.0GHz Pentium-M processor, and it runs like a champ!
Tue Aug 23, 09:11:00 AM CDT
Interesting.
But what do you mean by: "I have Dreamweaver MX 2004, Adobe Create Suite".
For Intel OS X?
I've missed some news, lately...
Tue Aug 23, 09:15:00 AM CDT
I'd say in this case the Mac won.
I agree, because they're both Macs.
Tue Aug 23, 09:17:00 AM CDT
this is a non argument...
The reasoning behind the switch to intel is speed and heat. I think this proves in part that this will be what intel brings to the table. Dell is not the enemy, Windows is not the enemy, Poor management of resources and an extremely patched up product is.
Tue Aug 23, 09:24:00 AM CDT
waa waa waa ,>_<, sound the mac avids.
it's truly tiring to continuously read the arrogance and false pride the pitifully die-hard mac users possess.
lol. stop your whimpering blabber. macs are the automatic transmission of the personal computing world. pc's - the manual. each has an ideal application - stop trying to compete. this isn't a fight in the sandbox.
Tue Aug 23, 09:28:00 AM CDT
Hey Steven,
When Apple sues your ass in the middle of the night for stealing their OS, I'll be listening for your "wah wah wah". :)
Tue Aug 23, 09:32:00 AM CDT
U guyz R l@m3
Tue Aug 23, 09:47:00 AM CDT
Yeah. I love to see the video of you going to jail.
Tue Aug 23, 09:50:00 AM CDT
OK, guys. I've used Mac OS X86, and I must admit I'm impressed. But it's honestly not that spectacular, and no, it does not boot faster than a G5 with the default install. With the default install, on a 3 GHz P4, Mac OS boots in a similar amount of time to my G3, which surprisingly, is still pretty quick. It's not faster than my dual 2GHz G5. So if a P4 is blowing the socks off a G5 in boot time, it's been tweaked or the test is rigged, plain and simple.
Tue Aug 23, 10:00:00 AM CDT
If your Powerbook takes that long to load the apple screen, it has some problems, mine boots to the desktop in like 5 seconds max.
Tue Aug 23, 10:02:00 AM CDT
Not to get even lamer, but the powerbook isn't plugged in. If it has default energy saver settings, the processor is running at reduced speed. Not sure the ratios, but plugging in my Powerbook doubles my game frame rates.
Tue Aug 23, 10:16:00 AM CDT
I thought that was one of the beefs with Windows from the MAC perspective. MACheads always say how much cleaner & efficient MAC OS is than Win XP. It doesn't get bogged down like XP does when you install lots of stuff (you know, Win XP's registry). Now a DELL kicks the crap out of MACs hardware & the excuse is a clean install versus a loaded up install, give me a break. I had a good laugh at this demonstration & I am sure I will have many more as the APPLE continues to get eaten.
Tue Aug 23, 10:20:00 AM CDT
Oh yeah, and a system with a fresh install is going to boot much faster than a system that has been used for a while and has more in the startup routines.
Tue Aug 23, 10:24:00 AM CDT
I use linux and am not partial really to either windows or apple, but I do have to say that this test is a bit unfair, for all of the various reasons that people have said. Every one picks out one reason why it's unfair, and the next person will say why that one reason isn't enough. However, if you put them all together, yes it's enough to make that much of a difference. Personally however, I couldn't give a damn about boot time as long as it is with in reason, and it works clean and fast while it is booted.
Tue Aug 23, 10:34:00 AM CDT
"Not to get even lamer, but the powerbook isn't plugged in. If it has default energy saver settings, the processor is running at reduced speed. Not sure the ratios, but plugging in my Powerbook doubles my game frame rates."
you can set to low automatic high my friend.
Tue Aug 23, 10:38:00 AM CDT
I can guarantee you that the Dell does not have all the device drivers loaded like the powerbook does. I have it running on a Dell 8400 and it has generic video drivers, sound doesn't work... all of these devices would be working on a powerbook so yeah the powerbook is going to be slower.
Tue Aug 23, 10:39:00 AM CDT
PEOPLE.
Remember!!!!!
Apple machines have Open Firmware in them, Dell machines dont they have BIOS.
BIOS boots up alot faster than any Open Firmware setup, the fact that i have a PowerMac G5 and its booting from OpenFirmware to boot screen lasts from 5 to 10 seconds.
Open Firmware can be considered as a second mini-OS, that no PC has.
When loading screen kicks in thats when you should do the counting (grey apple logo)
Also as the developer OSX is actually much more lightweight than the "real" OSX it actually is running more subdrivers and sulibraries than the X86 Devkit.
Tue Aug 23, 10:46:00 AM CDT
WHO CARES? macs are supposed to be kept up and running anyway. for real. you shouldn't turn off your mac unless you have to. macs run maintenance in the background in the wee hours. if you turn it off or put it to sleep then it can't run said maintenance. just leave it on.
good lord. chill out.
Tue Aug 23, 11:20:00 AM CDT
My dad can beat up your dad!
Tue Aug 23, 11:41:00 AM CDT
I totally agree with the last anon. This is a silly test. Who keeps rebooting a machine anyway? Oh wait, pcs do.
Tue Aug 23, 11:41:00 AM CDT
"WHO CARES? macs are supposed to be kept up and running anyway. for real. you shouldn't turn off your mac unless you have to. macs run maintenance in the background in the wee hours. if you turn it off or put it to sleep then it can't run said maintenance. just leave it on.
good lord. chill out."
Exactly. I never shut down my Imac G5 unless it needs to be restarted. its been up and running like this since I got it. which was when they first came out. and it still boots fast. never timed it becuase im not that anal to worry about boot times.
Tue Aug 23, 11:57:00 AM CDT
I've never turned off any Mac that I've owned. Seems like a pretty biased "test" if you ask me. Of course a desktop plugged into the wall is going to beat a laptop that has to boot everything running on a battery.
Tue Aug 23, 01:07:00 PM CDT
Even un-biased tests like XBench clearly show that jury-rigged installations of OS X86 with P4s clearly beat the pants off a similarly configured G5 system. All though a laptop versus a desktop is not a fair comparison, the PC just about always beats the mac, as far as raw performance.
Tue Aug 23, 01:46:00 PM CDT
OMG, the point is, its NOT a fair test, and you know why that is? BECAUSE APPLE HARDWARE SUCKS. You can't get a fair test, BECAUSE APPLE HARDWARE IS BAD. So the question is, which would you rather have, a perfectly ordinary (non-stripped) version of OS X that runs GREAT on x86 machines, or the SAME version of OS X that runs slower on Apple hardware, with NO concievable advantage on that machine. You can get the BEST apple machine that they make, and i will get an AMD X2, 2x SLi 6800, as much 533 Mhz RAM as the mobo will hold, liquid cooling, and it will blow the CRAP out of it. The point is, that if you take the best mac, and the best x86, the mac is gonna suck.
Tue Aug 23, 03:10:00 PM CDT
You guys are totally missing everything. Its not the hard ware that makes it a Mac. Its the OS and all the sweet apps that come with it. Even depending on what IBM macs u start OSX up on it will load with different speeds. You guys that are fighting that this is a mac and pc battle are missing the point. this is an IBM vs Intel. And now yes Intel has way better chips.
Tue Aug 23, 03:50:00 PM CDT
"I thought that was one of the beefs with Windows from the MAC perspective. MACheads always say how much cleaner & efficient MAC OS is than Win XP. It doesn't get bogged down like XP does when you install lots of stuff (you know, Win XP's registry). Now a DELL kicks the crap out of MACs hardware & the excuse is a clean install versus a loaded up install, give me a break. I had a good laugh at this demonstration & I am sure I will have many more as the APPLE continues to get eaten."
Theres more to it than that dumbass. A loaded up install will not slow down usage once it boots and you are using it. But during bootup, with extras installed, there's going to be more that needs to be started, plus drivers that the Intel version most likley doesn't have. Any moron should know that.
Oh, and don't forget that the Dell's specs are much better than the Macs. I guarantee you if you had an evenley matched Mac and x86 machine, both with fresh, clean installs, the Mac would win.
Tue Aug 23, 04:08:00 PM CDT
MAC nerds....always funny
if you say something bad about their computer they act like you said something bad about their mother...that computer aint your mother. its just some cables and stuff haha NERDS
Tue Aug 23, 04:10:00 PM CDT
I think the really funny thing about all the mac users whining, is that guess what, your mac will someday have the exact same hardware as that dell. the G family is going away, and will most likely never return, and unless you plan on hanging on to your old hardware like some lost civilization as the rest of the world and technology passes you by, you'll be using this stuff to. its going to be an x86 world for a while, so why not enjoy the benefits of a much larger (more diversified) hardware base, and learn to think for yourselves for once.
I for one love the choices that the PC has always offered. (what, I get to CHOOSE what type of *insert any hardware here* I get to put in my mac, and it doesnt have to be apple certified, and wont cost me an extra leg???).
if all the people complaining here will take a second and get out of their narrow minded (mac) thinking, then you'll start to see the benefits that this offers, mostly in the cheeper 3rd party hardware area.
Tue Aug 23, 05:11:00 PM CDT
Blah with all of the fighting , I think that this rocks I am not going to spend another red cent on Apple's over- priced hardware just to get the best OS IMO, Can not wait until Apple will just throw in the towel and open the os for everyone.
Tue Aug 23, 06:03:00 PM CDT
it's plain and simple: apple wouldn't be switching to intel chips if they weren't superior. I'm a mac guy and I have enough sense to tell you that. not to mention that my dual G5 1.8mhz is a piece of shite that can't even play 30fps full screen video without totally droppiing frames while my bottom of the line dell plays the same file effortlessly with it's stock video card. I mean, come on, that's just pathetic...
Tue Aug 23, 06:09:00 PM CDT
It's not that Intel is better, because the fact remains that the PowerPC is a more efficient chip. THe problem is that IBM won't move as fast as Apple wants while Intel is bring out all kinds of stuff. Why is this so? Simple. There are 100's of PC companies making all kinds of cool shit with Intel processors, and theres what Apple, and the new Xbox using PowerPC's (of course, there are IBM servers that use PPC, but in the scheme of things, this is small).
Its economies of scale. Apple is trying to make cheap PC's, thats the real answer. The OS is undoubtedly the best. You thought the MacMini was cheap, now just wait. And I cant wait till my first pocket-pc version of the Mac is out! Just a matter of time.
And it easily allows licensing to come about, if SJ wants it, without having to retool or rebuild.
Wed Aug 24, 02:46:00 PM CDT
I normally boot my Macs only when I install OSX software updates that require it (maybe once every few months). Otherwise, I just put 'em to sleep when I'm not using them (making my effective boot time a couple of seconds). Even if I did do a full boot regularly, a few seconds over those months is laughably trivial.
So, it's just silly to compare boot time statistics. If you want to compare the speed of the machines running OSX, then do so once they're up and running. Stay in the OS (not running apps) and make it jump through some hoops. Which will be faster? Beats me--but this boot time fuss is hardly worth a mention.
Wed Aug 24, 02:47:00 PM CDT
the gcc compiler used to build os-x is generic with a ppc backend. the compiler doesn't even begin to fully exploit the PPC's 32 working registers.
gcc does optimize fully fot x86.
a really fair uP dragrace would have the PPC running an os built with a compiler optimized for it.
Wed Aug 24, 04:18:00 PM CDT
Thank you "another comment" guy! You have elevated the level of discourse in one fell swoop.
A very important part of what makes a Mac a Mac is the OS.
Another very important part is the hardware. With Apple, you get tight integration of software and hardware.
The Dell? At best it's a pig that's learned to sing.
Yep, that'll do pig. That'll do.
Wed Aug 24, 04:29:00 PM CDT
do you all realize you are having a pissing contest with the same dick?
pc with OSX vs apple with OSX
think about... it AAPL wins here no matter what.
Wed Aug 24, 04:33:00 PM CDT
Um, you might be misinterpreting boot times of a clean system vs. one that has "lots of programs and has been running for a while" if you're coming from the windoze world. Applications aren't allowed to screw with the operating system on the Mac, so it really doesn't mater how full your hard disk is (provided you still have swap file space). The difference in load times between a generic and specific video driver would be trivial as would loading an additional mouse driver, etc. Keep in mind that Mac OS X comes loaded to the gills with additional fonts, languages, drivers, and kernal extensions already.
Since it takes root level access to a Mac to modify the system software, the integrity of the operating system does not degrade over time (baring hard disk failure). Because of its UNIX roots, most people don't even shut down, they just put their Macs to sleep and regularly run for months between reboots; so most Mac users probably couldn't even tell you how long it takes their Mac to boot.
The difference in boot time probably has to do with hard disk speed, bus speed/architecture, and system speed than processor speed.
Wed Aug 24, 04:44:00 PM CDT
right now, the windows version of OS X is 'stripped down', bare bones. Of course it's going to load quickly. Duh.
I use windows machines often, unfortunately. Macs rule, it's such a better experience.
Wed Aug 24, 05:20:00 PM CDT
Run Lightwave 8.3 on a 3.4Ghz P4... then compare it against a dual 2.7Ghz G5... sorry boys... the G5 not just beats the P4... but blows it socks off... twice as fast in most cases... particularly when rendering Radiosity.
Wed Aug 24, 05:22:00 PM CDT
HAHAH All of this is funny, mostly due to the fact that their are so many PC NERDS desperate to run MacOSX on their PC after calling Mac hardware and software trash for years and years. Windows must suck bad even by PC NERD standards.
I have a Mac now and I will have a Mac when the X86 Macs come out and yeah P4 DOES SUCK. Thats why the new Intel Macs will be based on Intel's next gen architecture and not P4. Lots of empty MHZ in a P4 and still spanked by sub 3GHZ AMDs, those are facts.
Wed Aug 24, 06:03:00 PM CDT
Anyone book up a MacOS X on a AMD Opteron based machine? Now that would serious kick ass!
Wed Aug 24, 06:16:00 PM CDT
Yes, just put your computer in sleep mode. I used to boot up every time. Why?
Wed Aug 24, 07:05:00 PM CDT
Once Apple makes the switch all the comparisons will likely not involve relative speed, except for the hardware variations utilized. Apple's waiting for the next generation of Intel chips and will likely have a motherboard of their own design on most if not all their products. That's likely the major hardware difference. They also have designed their own controller chips in the past. What software acceleration compilers Intel furnishes for Apple's programmers will not be a comprehensive at first so there might be some measurable performance differences. What would techies argue about if not technology? The Apple vs. PC arguments won't end soon. Hopefully they'll become more relevant to customer's choices.
Wed Aug 24, 08:13:00 PM CDT
just wondering... shouldn't it be Intel vs IBM instead?
wonder if it would work on an AMD...
Wed Aug 24, 10:27:00 PM CDT
Hmmm... Let's see....
Powerbook FSB speed 167MHz
Dell FSB speed 533MHz
Powerbook HD speed 4200 rpm
Dell HD speed 7200 rpm
Powerbook processor speed no higher than 1.67GHz (not sure which model or processor speed, so will assume highest)
Del processor speed 3.06GHz
Powerbook OS X with full driver support (printers, real graphics, PCMCIA, etc...)
Dell OS X with beta OS X without full driver support (yet)
Powerbook unplugged (cannot assume that performance was set to maximum (ie not the standard setting), considering that the point of the video was to show the Dell booting faster than the Powerbook)
Dell with full processor performance available
I wonder who will boot up first?
Thu Aug 25, 12:10:00 AM CDT
correct me if I am wrong but doesnt a real ppc mac have to load more items during boot up, including classic and drivers for the many mac models firewire, apple displays etc. while the windows version loads a lot less, for instant no real video drivers etc. if this is true than of course the pc would when, i say disable 1 processor in the dual 2.7 G5 with 2 GB memory make sure you have the same firewire hard drive and make sure each loads up exatly the same thing compare it to a 2.8 P$ or 2.8 Athlon 64 and then let us know.
but a 1.67 G4 powerbook will always be beat by a 3.0 P4 laptop with the faster hard drive and more ram.
The G4 would only win on things that are optimized for the velocity engine and ppc multithreading when running multiple apps simutaneously.
Thu Aug 25, 08:18:00 AM CDT
The cracked version of OSX for intel boots into 'safe' mode. It doesn't load nearly as many items at boot time. Boot the mac in safe mode too for a fairer comparison.
Anyway, Apple are switching to Intel because the G4 in the powerbook can't compete with Intel chips and the G5 doesn't look like getting cool enough for a laptop anytime soon. if the results were that the PC was very slow, then there'd be something to worry about.
Chill...
Thu Aug 25, 08:32:00 AM CDT
So impressed of what you guys being talking about! So where can i get the MacOS? How should i start to load it to my Dell PC???
Tue Aug 30, 06:44:00 AM CDT
nice... can u tell me how did u do it. cuz i've been trying for quite some times and it still does not work..
Mon Sep 12, 11:29:00 PM CDT
nice... can u tell me how did u do it. cuz i've been trying for quite some times and it still does not work..
Mon Sep 12, 11:29:00 PM CDT
I like my mac mini. I don't have a virus protection running in the background eating my computer power, have had this comp since june 08 05. I didn't like windows xp and having to run a virus scan every second day coupled along with system crashes, not to mention those things called "cookies". So thankful I am HM? Windows needs all that DDR SD RAM, and 3.4 GHZ processor power to accomodate their virus protection, this keeps their systems' semi-stable.
Sat Oct 01, 02:16:00 AM CDT
Guys these are the facts:
1. Apple WILL be changing chip manufacturer to run on x86 archietecture.
2. The Linux Kernel is the best the world has to offer ANY harware.
3. Intel based harware is cheaper and more versitile to build to your own requirements.
4. Hackers will ensure hardware is never an issue over personal preference or freedom to choose - blessed is the geek!
Forget for a second the machines and consider what is approaching from the future - more choice - freedom to choose! I think this is fantastic news. I love using computers irrespectie of hardware or software.
Does anyone really think boot time is more important than choice?
Embrace the facts!
Sun Oct 02, 08:41:00 AM CDT
ok first off you got to realize how the CPU itself works with the OS.
PowerPC CPUs are RISC this means it puts the wor in the hads of the OS itself, the CPU has less built in commands and their for takes more lines of code to produce the same results.
see here --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC
However, after the OS is running it does have some advantages as the CPU only needs to focus on tasks that are sent to it not interpreting what the OS is triyng to say.
Intel to the path of muscle over brain. (seems some of you followed the same path)
Anyhow with the PowerPC chips you do get more return for the resources requiered to implement the request.
Now if you want a real comparision i think it would best to compare 2 x86 Macs 1 with windows and the other with OSX and compare those. Comparing the functions of RISC and non-RISC. Honestly I dont see right now why Apple is going with Intel over AMD but I am sure if Steve Jobs made that choice he has an ace up his sleeve.
Wed Oct 26, 11:45:00 PM CDT
1 more thing.
Senario.
Apple finsihes OSX86, co-launches its own office suite based on Open Office (similar to how they base practically all their software on Open Source i.e. Shake was ported from shake for linux (http://www.digitalproducer.com/pages/nothing_real_ships_shake21.htm) then bought by apple, Final Cut Pro was a port of Cinelerra (http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3), Safari is based on Konqueror (http://www.konqueror.org/features/browser.php), not to mention the OS kernel itself is based on BSD, asnd practically every other app, even "spotlight" is just a gui for grep really, geez..) and decides to go head to head with Microsoft.
... Their is a chance it might happen cosidering Microsoft will be doing their "silver bullet" killing most of the illegal copies of XP and 2000 OS and Office trying to force those users to buy Vista, and I am sure many users will be looking for cheaper alternatives. I am really curious how Vista will compare to Tiger when the Oses are side by side, so far my trial of Vista puts it far behind Mac Os X and even most Linux desktops...
It has a popularity wave it can ride on that is its man advantage over linux. much better hardware plug-play support, and they have ok relationships with most software vendors who will more than likely already are making software for Mac anyhow.
Personally I love OSX for a desktop, and I love Linux for a server OS, For a server I prefer Linux over BSD simply because everything is freely available and most distros have repositories, all you need to do is tpye either yum install blah blah, or apt get...
Thu Oct 27, 12:06:00 AM CDT
Um...where do I start?
I'm a filmmaker, and to the nitwit who claims that a liquid-cooled Athlon will beat the pants off a Quad G5, I have only this to say...prove it. In my world, we use Apple hardware because nothing...not one single GD PC...was able to process film footage anywhere near the speed or quality that Apple hardware was able to do. None. Nada. Zip. Period.
Second, Xogger, Final Cut Pro was NOT a port of Cinelerra...not even in your wildest dreams.
Do ANY of you people EVER research anyhting that comes out of your mouths?
And who gives a flying f--- about how fast OSX runs on Intel chips? IBM's new Power6 chip buries everything Intel has on the dock for the next 3 years. Apple made a hugely dumbass move by switching.
Mon Feb 20, 04:17:00 PM CST
We don't need to debate much here....DELL SUCKS...In fact...PCs SUCK....My MacBook can BURN any PC...Super fast start up...like 5-7 seconds...I haven't seen any computer boot XP faster tahn about 3-4 hours....cause Microsoft BLOWS...OK...yeah...I am gonna go to the Apple store now and bask in the glory of a company that doesn't screw the daylight out of their users...dumb brainwashed PC users
Fri Mar 24, 11:07:00 AM CST
I know you'll never actually see this Xogger...but Final Cut Pro was originally a Macromedia project called KeyGrip (and later Final Cut). The lead developer was Randy Ubillos. Apple bought the technology in 1998, and unveiled Final Cut Pro in 1999...three years before the first version of Cinelerra was introduced.
Just FYI
Tue Oct 03, 02:39:00 PM CDT
My Intel iMac 20" boots about twice as fast as that!
My point is...an equally specced mac would beat the hell out of any Dell PC.
Thu May 31, 06:42:00 AM CDT
Dell rules!
My XPSs would beat any of Macs! found at Freeworlddvd.
Mon Sep 17, 07:20:00 AM CDT
Okay well i have read and analyzed every comment on here everyone is wrong. Boot up time IS NOT A FACTOR IN PERFORMANCE... Some processors require more instructions during time of boot up. PowerPC processors are risc based and thus are faster then a equally spec'd pc processor. A 1.67 PowerPC G4 is equal to like a 3.2 Ghz Pentium 3 processor and don't argue that the Pentium 4 architecture is faster then the Pentium 3 by a long shot because its not. Why don't you look at some tests comparing a MAC VS a PC in some photoshop tests or HOW ABOUT a compression test in winrar i guarantee my 1.67 powerbook beats my 2.8 Pentium 4 laptop in all those tests =D (btw ive already tested this theory)
Thu Nov 08, 11:08:00 AM CST
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